Neck Liposuction In Maryland Manor, FL
Neck liposuction removes the pad of fat under the chin and along the jawline that diet and training cannot reach. The result is a cleaner line between the face and the neck. At Formation, the procedure happens in the office at 1315 South Howard Avenue, about a ten minute drive east of Maryland Manor, using an oral sedative and local anesthetic rather than general anesthesia.
How defined would you go?
Not everyone wants the same look from HD liposuction. Some prefer a smooth, subtle contour, while others want their abs to stand out.
Here’s how the three levels of definition differ:
01. Low definition: A leaner, natural-looking abdomen with subtle definition and light contouring around the underlying muscles.
02. Medium definition: More visible separation between the abdominal muscles, with added definition through the abs and obliques without a sharply etched six-pack.
03. High definition: More pronounced sculpting around the abs and obliques to highlight the underlying muscle structure and create a more chiseled, athletic look.
Dr. Gopal tailors his HD liposuction technique to the level of definition you’re looking for, while considering what’s achievable for your body.
Which would you choose: 1, 2 or 3? Tell us in the comments!
Interested in HD liposuction? Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal at Formation in Tampa. Link in bio.
Actual patient photos. Individual results vary.
#HDLiposuction #Liposuction #BodyContouring #Tampa
How defined would you go?
Not everyone wants the same look from HD liposuction. Some prefer a smooth, subtle contour, while others want their abs to stand out.
Here’s how the three levels of definition differ:
01. Low definition: A leaner, natural-looking abdomen with subtle definition and light contouring around the underlying muscles.
02. Medium definition: More visible separation between the abdominal muscles, with added definition through the abs and obliques without a sharply etched six-pack.
03. High definition: More pronounced sculpting around the abs and obliques to highlight the underlying muscle structure and create a more chiseled, athletic look.
Dr. Gopal tailors his HD liposuction technique to the level of definition you’re looking for, while considering what’s achievable for your body.
Which would you choose: 1, 2 or 3? Tell us in the comments!
Interested in HD liposuction? Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal at Formation in Tampa. Link in bio.
Actual patient photos. Individual results vary.
#HDLiposuction #Liposuction #BodyContouring #Tampa
This isn’t traditional lipo. It’s HD lipo.
For this patient, getting smaller isn’t the goal.
He already works out. He already has the muscle. Dr. Gopal’s job is to use HD liposuction to bring out more of that existing definition and shape the areas around it so the body looks more athletic and defined.
That’s why the markings matter. Before surgery even begins, Dr. Gopal is mapping out how the abs, chest, arms and surrounding areas should work together in the final result.
Considering HD liposuction in Tampa? DM us to learn more.
📍Formation
1315 S Howard Ave
Tampa, FL 33606
📱(813) 922-2920
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This isn’t traditional lipo. It’s HD lipo.
For this patient, getting smaller isn’t the goal.
He already works out. He already has the muscle. Dr. Gopal’s job is to use HD liposuction to bring out more of that existing definition and shape the areas around it so the body looks more athletic and defined.
That’s why the markings matter. Before surgery even begins, Dr. Gopal is mapping out how the abs, chest, arms and surrounding areas should work together in the final result.
Considering HD liposuction in Tampa? DM us to learn more.
📍Formation
1315 S Howard Ave
Tampa, FL 33606
📱(813) 922-2920
#HDLiposuction #HighDefinitionLiposuction #MaleLiposuction #LiposuctionTampa #tampa
This is the part of the job that never gets old.
There’s something special about knowing how different a patient’s life might feel on the other side.
Not just because their body may look different, but because of everything that can come with it.
Feeling more comfortable in their own skin.
Saying yes to plans without thinking twice.
Looking forward to summer instead of dreading it.
Plastic surgery can change a body. But sometimes, what matters most is how differently someone gets to experience their life afterward.
And that’s a pretty incredible part of what we get to do at Formation Tampa.
#HDLiposuction #HighDefinitionLiposuction #liposuction #Tampa #BodyContouring
This is the part of the job that never gets old.
There’s something special about knowing how different a patient’s life might feel on the other side.
Not just because their body may look different, but because of everything that can come with it.
Feeling more comfortable in their own skin.
Saying yes to plans without thinking twice.
Looking forward to summer instead of dreading it.
Plastic surgery can change a body. But sometimes, what matters most is how differently someone gets to experience their life afterward.
And that’s a pretty incredible part of what we get to do at Formation Tampa.
#HDLiposuction #HighDefinitionLiposuction #liposuction #Tampa #BodyContouring
Three small incisions instead of one long one.
For some patients with diastasis recti, repairing the separated abdominal muscles doesn’t necessarily require a traditional tummy tuck.
A tummy tuck makes sense when there’s loose skin that needs to be removed at the same time. But some patients are lean, don’t have much loose skin, and still have that persistent pooch from muscle separation.
For the right patient, Dr. Gopal can repair the diastasis using a minimally invasive robotic approach through three small incisions, about 8 mm each, hidden along the bikini line.
The key is choosing the right procedure for the right anatomy. If there’s significant loose skin or excess fat, repairing the muscles alone may actually make that looseness more noticeable.
That’s why the consultation matters. It’s not just about seeing a belly pooch. It’s about understanding what’s causing it and what actually needs to be addressed.
Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal at Formation in Tampa to find out which approach makes sense for you. Link in bio.
#DiastasisRecti #TummyTuck #RoboticSurgery #BodyContouring #Tampa
Three small incisions instead of one long one.
For some patients with diastasis recti, repairing the separated abdominal muscles doesn’t necessarily require a traditional tummy tuck.
A tummy tuck makes sense when there’s loose skin that needs to be removed at the same time. But some patients are lean, don’t have much loose skin, and still have that persistent pooch from muscle separation.
For the right patient, Dr. Gopal can repair the diastasis using a minimally invasive robotic approach through three small incisions, about 8 mm each, hidden along the bikini line.
The key is choosing the right procedure for the right anatomy. If there’s significant loose skin or excess fat, repairing the muscles alone may actually make that looseness more noticeable.
That’s why the consultation matters. It’s not just about seeing a belly pooch. It’s about understanding what’s causing it and what actually needs to be addressed.
Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal at Formation in Tampa to find out which approach makes sense for you. Link in bio.
#DiastasisRecti #TummyTuck #RoboticSurgery #BodyContouring #Tampa
When you’re choosing who to trust with your body, experience and reputation matter.
Four years in a row. 🏆
Dr. Gopal Grandhige has once again been named a Tampa Magazine Top Doctor, continuing a streak that began in 2023.
Each year, Tampa Magazine sends Top Doctors ballots to more than 13,600 physicians across Hillsborough, Pinellas and Pasco counties.
In 2026, Dr. Gopal was recognized in Cosmetic Surgery / Plastic Surgery.
2023 • 2024 • 2025 • 2026
Thank you to our patients for continuing to trust Dr. Gopal and the Formation team with your care.
When you’re choosing who to trust with your body, experience and reputation matter.
Four years in a row. 🏆
Dr. Gopal Grandhige has once again been named a Tampa Magazine Top Doctor, continuing a streak that began in 2023.
Each year, Tampa Magazine sends Top Doctors ballots to more than 13,600 physicians across Hillsborough, Pinellas and Pasco counties.
In 2026, Dr. Gopal was recognized in Cosmetic Surgery / Plastic Surgery.
2023 • 2024 • 2025 • 2026
Thank you to our patients for continuing to trust Dr. Gopal and the Formation team with your care.
How defined would you go?
Not everyone wants the same look from HD liposuction. Some prefer a smooth, subtle contour, while others want their abs to stand out.
Here’s how the three levels of definition differ:
01. Low definition: A smoother, more subtle contour with gentle definition around the waist and abdomen.
02. Medium definition: More visible abdominal lines and a defined waist, without the appearance of a pronounced six-pack.
03. High definition: More pronounced abdominal contours that highlight the underlying muscle structure for a sculpted, athletic look.
Dr. Gopal tailors his HD liposuction technique to the level of definition you’re looking for, while considering what’s achievable for your body.
Which would you choose: 1, 2 or 3? Tell us in the comments!
Interested in HD liposuction? Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal at Formation in Tampa. Link in bio.
Images are illustrative. Individual results vary.
#HDLiposuction #Liposuction #BodyContouring #Tampa
How defined would you go?
Not everyone wants the same look from HD liposuction. Some prefer a smooth, subtle contour, while others want their abs to stand out.
Here’s how the three levels of definition differ:
01. Low definition: A smoother, more subtle contour with gentle definition around the waist and abdomen.
02. Medium definition: More visible abdominal lines and a defined waist, without the appearance of a pronounced six-pack.
03. High definition: More pronounced abdominal contours that highlight the underlying muscle structure for a sculpted, athletic look.
Dr. Gopal tailors his HD liposuction technique to the level of definition you’re looking for, while considering what’s achievable for your body.
Which would you choose: 1, 2 or 3? Tell us in the comments!
Interested in HD liposuction? Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal at Formation in Tampa. Link in bio.
Images are illustrative. Individual results vary.
#HDLiposuction #Liposuction #BodyContouring #Tampa
The last one got 11/10.
Some of the biggest factors affecting liposuction results have nothing to do with what happens in the operating room.
Dr. Gopal rates 13 factors that can influence the final result, from working out before surgery and maintaining a stable weight to compression garments, skin elasticity, and lymphatic massage.
A few of his ratings might surprise you.
For example, he rates skin elasticity a 10/10 because even after the fat is removed, the skin still needs to contract and settle over the new contour.
And lymphatic massage? He gives it an 11/10 because of the role it plays in his recovery protocol, helping manage swelling and supporting how the skin settles over the newly sculpted areas.
The takeaway: great liposuction results depend on more than the surgery itself.
Patient preparation, anatomy, recovery, and long-term weight maintenance all play a role.
Considering liposuction or high-definition liposuction in Tampa?
Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal Grandhige at Formation Tampa. Link in bio.
#Liposuction #HDLiposuction #LiposuctionRecovery #LipoAftercare #tampa
The last one got 11/10.
Some of the biggest factors affecting liposuction results have nothing to do with what happens in the operating room.
Dr. Gopal rates 13 factors that can influence the final result, from working out before surgery and maintaining a stable weight to compression garments, skin elasticity, and lymphatic massage.
A few of his ratings might surprise you.
For example, he rates skin elasticity a 10/10 because even after the fat is removed, the skin still needs to contract and settle over the new contour.
And lymphatic massage? He gives it an 11/10 because of the role it plays in his recovery protocol, helping manage swelling and supporting how the skin settles over the newly sculpted areas.
The takeaway: great liposuction results depend on more than the surgery itself.
Patient preparation, anatomy, recovery, and long-term weight maintenance all play a role.
Considering liposuction or high-definition liposuction in Tampa?
Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal Grandhige at Formation Tampa. Link in bio.
#Liposuction #HDLiposuction #LiposuctionRecovery #LipoAftercare #tampa
Six to seven hours.
That’s how long an HD liposuction procedure can take with Dr. Gopal’s approach.
He’s not simply removing fat. He’s evaluating every square inch, considering the underlying anatomy, and shaping how each contour transitions into the next.
It’s detailed, physically demanding work.
So when Dr. Gopal says, “Someone’s gotta sweat for the fat to come off,” he means it.
Considering HD liposuction in Tampa? Schedule a consultation (link in bio).
#HDLiposuction #HighDefinitionLiposuction
Six to seven hours.
That’s how long an HD liposuction procedure can take with Dr. Gopal’s approach.
He’s not simply removing fat. He’s evaluating every square inch, considering the underlying anatomy, and shaping how each contour transitions into the next.
It’s detailed, physically demanding work.
So when Dr. Gopal says, “Someone’s gotta sweat for the fat to come off,” he means it.
Considering HD liposuction in Tampa? Schedule a consultation (link in bio).
#HDLiposuction #HighDefinitionLiposuction
Will neck lipo give you the jawline you want?
It depends…
Someone can have fullness under the chin and assume the answer is neck liposuction. But what looks like “fat” from the outside can actually come from several different structures.
Some fat sits directly beneath the skin and can respond very well to liposuction.
But fullness can also come from deeper fat beneath the platysma, the salivary glands under the jaw, muscles under the chin, or even the natural projection of the chin and jaw itself.
That distinction can completely change what neck liposuction can realistically accomplish.
This is why evaluating the anatomy matters before deciding on a procedure.
For the right anatomy, neck liposuction can create a significant change in the neck and jawline.
But when deeper structures are contributing to the fullness, liposuction alone may not create the contour someone is expecting.
A good neck lipo consultation should figure that out first.
Schedule a consultation with **Dr. Gopal Grandhige at Formation Tampa.** Link in bio.
#NeckLipo #NeckLiposuction #DoubleChin #JawlineContouring #NeckContouring
Will neck lipo give you the jawline you want?
It depends…
Someone can have fullness under the chin and assume the answer is neck liposuction. But what looks like “fat” from the outside can actually come from several different structures.
Some fat sits directly beneath the skin and can respond very well to liposuction.
But fullness can also come from deeper fat beneath the platysma, the salivary glands under the jaw, muscles under the chin, or even the natural projection of the chin and jaw itself.
That distinction can completely change what neck liposuction can realistically accomplish.
This is why evaluating the anatomy matters before deciding on a procedure.
For the right anatomy, neck liposuction can create a significant change in the neck and jawline.
But when deeper structures are contributing to the fullness, liposuction alone may not create the contour someone is expecting.
A good neck lipo consultation should figure that out first.
Schedule a consultation with **Dr. Gopal Grandhige at Formation Tampa.** Link in bio.
#NeckLipo #NeckLiposuction #DoubleChin #JawlineContouring #NeckContouring
Want more definition than workouts gave you?
Traditional liposuction focuses primarily on removing fat. HD liposuction goes further. It requires understanding the underlying muscle anatomy, where to remove fat, where to preserve it, and how each contour works together to create natural-looking definition.
That’s the art of it. The goal isn’t to give every patient the same abs or the same body. It’s to work with the anatomy that’s already there and determine how much definition will look right for that individual.
Dr. Gopal Grandhige specializes in high-definition liposuction and advanced body contouring, using nearly two decades of surgical experience to create results that look sculpted, athletic, and intentional.
Considering HD liposuction in Tampa?
Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal at Formation Tampa. Link in bio.
#HDLiposuction #HighDefinitionLiposuction #Liposuction #BodyContouring #Tampa
Want more definition than workouts gave you?
Traditional liposuction focuses primarily on removing fat. HD liposuction goes further. It requires understanding the underlying muscle anatomy, where to remove fat, where to preserve it, and how each contour works together to create natural-looking definition.
That’s the art of it. The goal isn’t to give every patient the same abs or the same body. It’s to work with the anatomy that’s already there and determine how much definition will look right for that individual.
Dr. Gopal Grandhige specializes in high-definition liposuction and advanced body contouring, using nearly two decades of surgical experience to create results that look sculpted, athletic, and intentional.
Considering HD liposuction in Tampa?
Schedule a consultation with Dr. Gopal at Formation Tampa. Link in bio.
#HDLiposuction #HighDefinitionLiposuction #Liposuction #BodyContouring #Tampa
What Neck Liposuction Does And What It Leaves Alone
This is a fat procedure. Small, discreet incisions go under the chin and behind the ears. Fat is removed with a fine cannula to sharpen the jawline while the natural jaw angles are left intact. Most cases run under an hour.
Dr. Gopal Grandhige is a board-certified general surgeon specializing in aesthetic surgery, certified by the American Board of Surgery. He trained at the University of Michigan Medical School, matched into the combined plastic surgery residency at Yale, then completed a full general surgery residency with fellowship training in burn surgery and critical care. That background matters here because the submental region sits close to the marginal mandibular nerve and the submandibular gland, and because how skin behaves after fat is removed is a healing question, not a technique question.
What it leaves alone is everything that is not fat. Loose skin stays loose. Muscle bands stay banded. A recessed chin stays recessed. Removing fat from a neck that has other problems can make those other problems more visible, which is why the read matters more than the instrument.
The Four-Layer Neck Read
Most necks show aging in more than one layer at once. Grouping the complaint into four layers is how Dr. Grandhige decides what to do and, more often, what to leave alone. Each layer has its own answer.
Layer One, Fat Under The Chin
Pinch the area under your chin with your head level. If you can gather a soft pad between two fingers, that is submental fat. This is the layer liposuction treats, and fat cells removed here do not come back as long as weight stays stable. Lean patients who still carry this pad are usually carrying it for genetic reasons, which is why it survives every diet they have tried.
Layer Two, The Platysma And Platysmal Bands
Tighten your neck as if you were grimacing. If two vertical cords stand up from the collarbone toward the jaw, those are platysmal bands, and no amount of fat removal will flatten them. This layer needs the muscle addressed. MyEllevate, a permanent suspension suture placed with platysmaplasty, is the answer when bands are the driver. Naming this layer early is what keeps a patient from booking a fat procedure that was never going to fix their complaint.
Layer Three, Skin And The Fibroseptal Network
Skin quality decides whether fat removal reads as sharp or as slack. Under the skin sits the fibroseptal network, the connective tissue scaffold that anchors skin to the layers beneath it. Renuvion, a helium plasma and radiofrequency device, and FaceTite, a radiofrequency-assisted contouring device, both reach the deepest layer of the skin and that scaffold underneath. Both are 510(k)-cleared. Lasers and microneedling work from the surface down and cannot get to that depth. They are a different category of tool, not a cheaper version of the same one. At Formation one of these is typically used at the same visit as the liposuction, and patients weighing the tightening piece on its own can read more about non-invasive neck and jawline contouring.
Layer Four, Chin Projection And Jaw Angle
Some necks are not fat problems at all. They are frame problems. A chin that sits behind the lip line shortens the neck visually no matter how clean the fat removal is. Radiesse, a calcium hydroxylapatite, and Juvederm, a hyaluronic acid, are used to build projection at the chin and along the jaw angle when the bone is what is missing. This is the layer people are actually chasing when they say they want a superhero jawline.
Who This Works For, And Who Should Wait
The candidate profile is narrow on purpose. Skin recoil in the roughly 25 to 55 range holds up well after fat is removed. Reasonable weight stability matters more than a specific number on the scale. And the complaint has to be mostly the fat pad, not mostly the skin or the muscle.
Here is where the answer is no, or not yet. Heavy skin laxity with poor recoil will not tighten to a sharp line, and forcing it produces a hollow, aged look rather than a defined one. Prominent platysmal bands need the muscle handled first. Patients who have dropped weight quickly, including on GLP-1 medications, often arrive with more laxity than fat. For them the honest answer may be tightening alone, waiting until weight holds steady, or a skin-excision procedure that neither liposuction nor energy tightening substitutes for. Formation stays in contact with the surgeons who do that excisional work well and points patients to the right one.
Patients whose main issue is skin rather than fat can start with non-surgical neck and jawline contouring instead.
Getting To South Howard From Maryland Manor
Maryland Manor is a compact neighborhood, roughly a third of a square mile, bounded by Manhattan Avenue on the west, Santiago Street and Palmira Avenue on the north, Vasconia Street on the south, and Lois Avenue and Grady Avenue on the east. It sits in ZIP 33629 and in City Council District 4, and most of the housing stock dates to the buildout that started in the 1950s.
The drive is short and stays on surface streets. From anywhere inside the neighborhood, take Bay to Bay Boulevard east, cross Dale Mabry Highway, continue past Himes and MacDill, then turn north on Howard Avenue. Formation is at 1315 South Howard Avenue, Suite 102, a little over two miles from the middle of Maryland Manor. No interstate, no bridge, no downtown parking garage, and one significant signal at Dale Mabry. That matters more than it sounds. This procedure involves a post-op visit in the first week and lymphatic work after that, and a short surface-street drive is the difference between keeping those appointments and skipping them.
The neighborhood itself is useful during recovery. A third of a square mile of quiet residential grid means a full walking loop without crossing a major arterial, and early walking is encouraged. Patients who want to see the kind of jawline definition this produces can review the before and after gallery before their visit.
What Recovery Actually Looks Like
The first few days bring mild swelling, some bruising, and a tight feeling under the chin, managed with a chin compression garment. By one week, most patients are back at work and back to training, still wearing the garment 12 to 24 hours a day. Between two and four weeks the swelling settles and the fat removal becomes clearly visible. At three months the skin tightening is visible and the jawline improvement is substantial. The final result lands somewhere between six and nine months, once the tightening has fully matured.
Recovery is not a waiting period. Formation runs on a 60/40 Recovery Standard: the surgery accounts for about 60 percent of the result and post-operative care accounts for the other 40 percent. Poor aftercare can undo a well-executed procedure, so the practice keeps aftercare in house rather than handing patients an instruction sheet. Dr. Grandhige follows patients for a full year, and how Formation approaches care explains why surgical volume stays low enough for that to be possible.
For procedures that require general anesthesia, Formation operates in Quad A accredited facilities with the same surgical team and the same anesthesia provider on every case. Familiarity is a safety feature, not a convenience.
Preparation Is Part Of The Procedure
Before anything is scheduled, health and diet are assessed. Nutrition, supplements, and peptides are then adjusted in the window immediately before and after treatment so the body builds as much structure as it can while it is healing. Protein intake, inflammation control, and lymphatic flow all get dialed in rather than left to chance, and lymphatic treatment begins at the first post-operative visit.
The cannula is the same cannula everywhere. The tightening device is the same device everywhere. The thinking around both is not.
What The Published Numbers Say, And What They Do Not
Liposuction has a well-documented safety profile. A 2024 systematic review and meta-analysis in Aesthetic Surgery Journal pooled 29,368 patients and put the overall complication rate at 2.62 percent, with contour deformity the most common at 2.35 percent and infection, skin necrosis, and venous thromboembolism all well under one percent.
The limitation belongs next to the number. That analysis pools observational studies across all body areas, not submental cases specifically, and the authors note that outcomes are shaped by patient characteristics, operative technique, and how closely patients follow post-operative instructions. A separate 2024 meta-analysis of 21,776 patients reported a pooled complication rate of 12 percent. The gap between those two figures is not a contradiction about safety; it reflects how differently studies define and report a complication. Any page quoting one number without that context is quoting a number it does not understand.
One more piece of 2026 context matters when a procedure happens in an office rather than a hospital. Florida House Bill 1175 took effect on July 1, 2026. It adds a section to the Florida Building Code Act covering office surgery suites, and design and fire safety standards are due from the Florida Building Commission and the State Fire Marshal by January 1, 2027. The practical question for a patient is simple. Ask where the procedure happens, what the room is equipped for, and what accreditation covers it.
Two Ways To Start
Formation offers a complimentary virtual evaluation with patient coordinator Hanna, who reviews your goals and outlines a plan before you decide whether to come in. The in-office consultation with Dr. Grandhige carries a fee and is a full surgical assessment covering anatomy, candidacy, alternatives, and timing, and that fee can be applied toward any procedure or product at the practice. Many patients do the virtual evaluation first and book the in-office visit second. You can reach the practice directly to arrange either one.
A Sharper Jawline Without A Bigger Operation
For the right neck, this is a small procedure with a disproportionate payoff. The people who do best have a complaint that is genuinely the fat pad, skin that still recoils, and a willingness to treat the weeks after surgery as part of the procedure. The people who do worst were sold a fat procedure for a skin or muscle problem. Getting that read right, before anything is scheduled, is the job.
Frequently Asked Questions
Fat cells removed do not regenerate. As long as weight stays stable, the fat reduction holds. The skin will keep aging on its own schedule, which is why the tightening component and how you care for your skin afterward matter as much as the fat removal.
Yes, most patients are back at work at one week. The chin garment is worn 12 to 24 hours a day through that stretch, and residual swelling is normal. If you have a high-visibility week on camera, schedule around it rather than trying to hide it.
Fat cells removed from the treated area are gone. Weight gained afterward is stored in the fat cells that remain, wherever they are. Stable weight is what protects the result.
Those are platysmal bands, and liposuction will not flatten them. Bands are a muscle problem and need the muscle addressed, typically with MyEllevate and platysmaplasty. Ask about this specifically during your evaluation.
Discomfort is usually described as tightness and pressure rather than sharp pain, and it is manageable with the plan you are sent home with. The chin garment feels more restrictive than the incisions do.
A neck lift removes skin. Neck liposuction removes fat and does not address excess skin. If your recoil is poor and skin is the main issue, a lift or an excisional procedure is the honest answer, and Formation will refer you to a surgeon who does that work.
Frequently, yes. Chin and jaw projection with Radiesse or Juvederm is often planned alongside the fat removal so the frame and the contour are addressed together. Sequencing is decided at the consultation.
